{"id":619,"date":"2014-11-30T11:56:30","date_gmt":"2014-11-30T19:56:30","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.skierpage.com\/blog\/?p=619"},"modified":"2021-06-09T15:54:12","modified_gmt":"2021-06-09T22:54:12","slug":"car-hydrogen-offered-who-will-bite","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.skierpage.com\/blog\/2014\/11\/car-hydrogen-offered-who-will-bite\/","title":{"rendered":"car: hydrogen offered, who will bite?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Toyota had a Mirai hydrogen fuel cell vehicle (HFCV) on its stand at the car show, and a dedicated salesperson talking it up. Hyundai had a hydrogen fuel cell Tucson on its stand, but they didn&#8217;t make a big deal of it.<\/p>\n<p>Toyota is acting like this is new. It isn&#8217;t Honda sold the FCX Clarity, a genuinely amazing car from the future, in Southern California from 2008\u20132014. In 6 years Honda leased less than 50 of them.<\/p>\n<h2>HFCV competition isn&#8217;t battery electric vehicles, but plug-in hybrids<\/h2>\n<p>HFCV advocates always compare the car with a &#8220;pure&#8221; battery electric vehicle like the Nissan Leaf or Tesla Model S, then the HFCV wins on range and refueling time.<\/p>\n<p>Imagine car buyers looking at a pure hydrogen fuel cell vehicle.\u00a0 When they&#8217;re told &#8220;It&#8217;s an electric car, but you <em>can&#8217;t<\/em> plug it in at home as the cheapest most convenient way to power the first NN miles of driving&#8221;, they&#8217;re going to turn around and walk out of the dealer. Maybe someone with no access to a plug at home or work who lives near an H2 station will stick around for the rest of the sales pitch.<\/p>\n<p>The problem is hydrogen fuel cell competes with plug-in hybrids for the &#8220;I&#8217;m not sure a pure battery electric vehicle will work for me&#8221; uncertain buyer, and is much more expensive. How many Volt drivers go on long trips often enough, and hate burning gasoline enough, to pay an extra $20,000 to never burn any gasoline? Especially when they realize the H2 nearly always comes from fossil fuel. Yes HFCV is more efficient than a gasser but the analyses of &#8220;How much highway driving do you have to do before HFCV is better for the environment than a plug-in hybrid&#8221; are going to increase uncertainty and decrease sales.<\/p>\n<p>Also, until those H2 stations are built along the highways, you&#8217;re going to have to drive out of your way to reach them. So unless your regular long trips pass by these H2 stations, you&#8217;re not saving time over driving a Model S, and the refueling costs far more money once the lease with three years of free fuel runs out.<\/p>\n<p>A plug-in hydrogen vehicle is more desirable than a pure HFCV, but it still faces tiny demand and huge challenges. Meanwhile people aspire to own pure BEVs.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Toyota had a Mirai hydrogen fuel cell vehicle (HFCV) on its stand at the car show, and a dedicated salesperson talking it up. Hyundai had a hydrogen fuel cell Tucson on its stand, but they didn&#8217;t make a big deal &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.skierpage.com\/blog\/2014\/11\/car-hydrogen-offered-who-will-bite\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_crdt_document":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[6,9],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-619","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-cars","category-eco"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.skierpage.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/619","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.skierpage.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.skierpage.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.skierpage.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.skierpage.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=619"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/www.skierpage.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/619\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1210,"href":"https:\/\/www.skierpage.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/619\/revisions\/1210"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.skierpage.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=619"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.skierpage.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=619"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.skierpage.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=619"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}